Greg and Cindy sat in the habitat, staring up at their daughter with hearts that felt as heavy as the world pressing down on them. They could see the sadness in Madison’s eyes, the weight of her words hanging in the air like a storm cloud. And yet, they were powerless. Powerless to offer her the comfort she needed, powerless to tell her what she longed to hear—that they were still here, still loved her, still cared deeply about her.
It tore at them both. They wanted nothing more than to wrap Madison in a hug, to tell her that, even though things were different, their love for her hadn’t changed. The memories they shared didn’t have to vanish into the void, and the future didn’t have to be devoid of joy. It would be different, yes—forever altered by the cruel twist of fate that had left them as littles—but it didn’t have to mean an end to the bond they had always shared.
But there was no way to reach her. No way to speak the words that lingered in their hearts, no way to soothe the ache they saw in her. They were trapped, confined to their little world, watching their daughter struggle with the loss of her parents while they still sat before her. It was a strange, tragic kind of helplessness, and it left them both feeling broken inside.
They could only listen and understand, piecing together the depth of Madison’s pain. Greg imagined what it must have been like for her to call the hospital, to hear Dr. Wilson say there was no cure. How hard it must have been to hear that even if they’d found some of the limited dosages, it would only offer a fleeting reprieve—a brief escape from the inevitable.
It was the profound sense of loss that Madison carried that hit them hardest. Greg’s chest tightened as he listened, the familiar fatherly instinct rising up inside him, the overwhelming need to comfort his little girl. He wanted to hold her, to pull her close the way he had so many times before. He would have given anything to provide even a minute of solace, to take away some of the pain she was feeling.
But he couldn’t. Not like this. Not anymore.
His heart ached as he sat in silence, watching Madison wipe a tear from her eye. Cindy, seated beside him, looked equally devastated, her own longing for connection painfully obvious in the way her hands trembled ever so slightly. They were both desperate to bridge the distance between them and their daughter, to remind her that they hadn’t truly left her, even if they could no longer fill the roles they once had.
In this new world, where they existed as littles, they couldn’t be the parents Madison needed them to be. They could offer no more than what their new reality allowed—a soft touch, a gentle gaze, a moment of obedience that might, in some small way, make Madison’s life easier.
But it wasn’t enough. It would never be enough.
Greg and Cindy exchanged a glance, the weight of their unspoken sorrow hanging between them like a fog that neither could dispel. In that glance, they both knew—they were still physically present for their daughter, still there in the sense that they existed in her world. But in this moment, perhaps more than ever before, they realized just how far away they had become. They were no longer the figures of authority, no longer the caregivers or the sources of wisdom they had once been. Now, they were something else entirely—something diminished, something that could never quite be what Madison truly needed.
For Cindy, the realization hit hardest. The full weight of what she had done, of the beliefs she had so passionately held and passed on to her children, crashed down on her like an unforgiving wave. This world they were trapped in—this strange, twisted reality where they were no longer parents, but Littles—was a prison of her own making. She had advocated for it, championed the rights of guardians and the subjugation of Littles. She had molded this reality, taught it to her children, ingrained it into their very understanding of the world. But she had never imagined, not for a second, that she herself could end up on the wrong side of that divide.
She had fought for a world where Littles existed to serve, to be cared for and controlled by their guardians, believing it was for the greater good. But now, she was one of them—a pet, a creature whose purpose was to serve her daughters and mankind. The irony was cruel, and the guilt was overwhelming. This wasn’t just some abstract ideology anymore. It was her life. Their life.
Cindy’s heart twisted painfully as she looked at Madison, the daughter she had tried so hard to raise, now grappling with the loss of her parents in a way no child should have to. It was her fault. She had done this. She had taken away Madison’s parents, forced her into a role she wasn’t prepared for, all because of the beliefs Cindy had instilled in her. Madison wasn’t just grieving the loss of her parents in the traditional sense—she was mourning the loss of their humanity, the roles they once filled in her life, the connection they once shared. And Cindy couldn’t fix it. She couldn’t mend what had been broken.
That realization cut deeper than anything else. Madison was hurting, and there was nothing Cindy could do to take that pain away. She had always prided herself on being the fixer, the one who could make things right for her family. But now, all she could do was be there, in whatever diminished way she could, and support her daughters in this strange, new life they were all navigating.
Cindy hated herself for dragging Greg into this world alongside her. He hadn’t believed in this system the way she had, yet here he was, suffering the same fate because of the path she had led them down. But she couldn’t imagine being in this alone. Even now, even as Littles, they were still a couple. They could still love each other, still cling to the remnants of their relationship, even if everything else had been stripped away.
They could still support their daughters, still be there for them in whatever way they could, even if it wasn’t the way they once had. That was the only way Cindy could justify it to herself—the only way she could survive the crushing guilt. They owed it to Madison and McKenzie to keep going, to endure this, to struggle and survive through whatever came next. They had to.
Greg nodded, understanding what his wife was feeling without the need for words. Years of marriage, years of shared experiences, and the deep love that had always connected them made it possible to know each other’s thoughts without having to speak them aloud. He could sense the weight of Cindy’s guilt, the turmoil she was struggling with, and he felt the same pain, though in his own way.
“You can’t blame yourself, Cindy,” Greg said softly, his voice laced with both empathy and reassurance. “What you believed in may have led us down this path, but you only know that now, in hindsight. You only see the consequences because of what we’ve lived through as Littles these past few days.”
He paused, letting the gravity of their situation settle between them for a moment. “You can’t blame yourself for leading me here, either. I followed you willingly. Even if I had known this is where we’d end up, I would have tried to argue with you, to make you see another way. But in the end, I’d still follow you, no matter what. That’s what marriage is. That’s what love is.”
Greg’s eyes softened as he looked at Cindy, his love for her unwavering despite the surreal and degrading circumstances they now found themselves in. “We’re still blessed, Cindy,” he continued, his tone steady but gentle. “We still get to see our girls grow up. We still get to witness their successes, their happiness, and—God willing—one day see them with families of their own. We may have to do it from a different place, as observers now, supporting them in ways they allow. But we’re still part of their lives, and that’s something.”
He knew how hard this was for her to hear, how deeply ingrained Cindy’s sense of control and responsibility had always been. She had built their world, both metaphorically and literally, shaping the structure of their family, guiding their daughters with strength and purpose. Now, that control had been stripped away, leaving her feeling powerless in the very world she had helped to create.
“We’re going to have to accept this, and I know it won’t be easy,” Greg said, his voice softening even more, as if speaking the truth out loud made it feel heavier. “But this is our burden now. This is what we have to do for our daughters. We can’t let this system break us. We have to endure it. For them.”
He reached out, placing a hand on Cindy’s, his touch gentle but filled with the strength of their shared bond. “We need to see them through this, to be there for them, even if it’s as Littles. It’s degrading, it’s humiliating, but if we can support them in any way, then that’s what we have to do. We owe them that much. We need to see them through their lives, to watch them get married, have kids of their own, and create families.”
Greg’s words hung in the air between them, a promise forged in love and a deep sense of responsibility. They had lost so much—authority, independence, the future they had once envisioned—but they hadn’t lost each other. And as long as they had that, they could find a way to survive this, for the sake of their daughters and for the sake of the life they still had left to live, however different it might be.
“We can do this, Cindy,” he whispered. “We have to.”
Lol not doing a Lethal style comment today but had an idea that I think I mentioned once, but wanted to reiterate
I think this would be tough, and idk if i’d be able to make myself do it if I was Greg, but I think the best thing he could do is to ask Cindy to train him on how to be a little in this world she created.
I think it’d shock cindy, but at the same time:
A: it would help greg really understand the depth of the world Cindy’s created for them
B: it would give Cindy something to focus on other than mourning
C: It’d probably make it easier in the long run when dealing with Trina
D: Its a step towards accepting a current situation
E: It’s a new way to bond with Cindy. It’d be a weird one, sure, but knowing it’s a wife and husband working with each other would be a lot better than the rules being dictated to the both of them
F: I had mentioned this in the past, but going through all of it again would help make other’s behavior and expectations more predictable and maybe even open up avenues for discussion. Like it wouldn’t be back talk for Cindy to ask about how her rules on some things have changed through Madison and companies practices
G: and in all honesty, the faster they get through the basic training, the faster they might be able to help madison work through her emotions. Like it could end up being less time in teh habitat and more time bonding and talking to her, even offering up advice or talking about how they used to cope and what not when they were her age. they would need to be strategic with it, but talking about their childhoods and stuff like that with her without saying things like “when we were your parents and you went through this, we helped by…” might make Madison see that littles aren’t exactly like what Cindy had said they are.
Greg would have to really be willing to sacrifice himself for that, and it’d probably hurt Cindy to see him do it, but I think it’d be a solid play. especially for a family man like him
Are you doing letters to be unique?
It would be an interesting technique. I’m not sure Cindy could train him though, the rules aren’t exactly one to one of what she created, and I c oukd interfere with their training from Trina.
A: I’m sure Greg wouldn’t be completely clueless, but Cindy’s mo longer the expert on that world.
B: this w I understand still be her focusing on the thing she’s mourning.
C: or it could interfere with that training passing Trina and the guardians off, possibly making Cindyvthink she’s higher thasn she is
D: it would be, I’ll give you this one
E: Bond with Cindy would be goid, but it could also negatively affect their relationship
F: another good point practice would hep them.
G: while faster training woukd get them out of the habitat more and could help more, but theirs no guarantee that they’d accept Cindy’s training as valid
Lol kinda i guess. just wanted to give my idea a few bullet points to show my reasoning
I like to use your comment style to make notes on my reactions as I read the passage.
0) lol, I like to think of this as putting lethal into his place.
1) It could but if Greg was taking direction from Cindy and not Madison or Trina they could get upset if they think there thunder is being stolen. Also Madison has modified at times things so he would really need to pay attention.
2) I could see this going either way. Either it would help her or make her relive all her mistakes.
3)Trina wasn’t all that hard on Greg. She was more focused on Cindy but if he was trained more it would reflect positively on Trina as she could take the credit.
4) It would be there is no doubt about that.
5)It would be an additional way to bond for Greg and Cindy but I also dont know if they are struggling overall to bond.
6)I agree with that. It would for sure.
7)It really depends on what Madison intends “her littles” to be doing for her as far as if it would get them out of the habitat. We haven’t really seen what Madison actually pictures as helping her and supporting her.
So it could work or it couldn’t depending on what Madison’s intentions are and the roles they will play in her life.
1)I guess that’s true, though I would think they are gonna expect Cindy to teach greg one way or the other at somepoint. I think it’d be a good base to start with.
2) that’s true, though at least it’d be in the form of an action she has control over personally. sometimes thats the best way to stay grounded
3) that’s kind that other part I was thinking about too. like an olive branch to Trina and maybe getting on her good side. I feel like Cindy could be a powerhouse in manipulation if she wasn’t still adjusting. I still think it’d be funny if she caught onto all of Trina’s training really, really fast and asked for the generitech training and ended up being the new community leader even though Trina is bigger
5) I kinda thought their bond strained a little when Greg told her about Kenzie. He could make it sort of a “hey I messed up with that, maybe you can show me what I’ll need to know from a basic standpoint” type of thing.
7) that’s true.
0) *gasps offendedly*
1) “Powerless to offer her the comfort she needed, powerless to tell her what she longed to hear—that they were still here, still loved her, still cared deeply about her.” That’d honestly be so hard for them, even after all she’s done to them.
2) “They wanted nothing more than to wrap Madison in a hug, to tell her that, even though things were different, their love for her hadn’t changed” that’s a good pair of parents right there.
3) “bridge the distance between them and their daughter, to remind her that they hadn’t truly left her” their connection could be reinstated if only Cindy and Madison hadn’t perpetuated their beliefs.
4) “a soft touch, a gentle gaze, a moment of obedience that might, in some small way, make Madison’s life easier.” I’m sure littles could find ways to offer more than that, if they weren’t as restricted as those two.
5.1) “The full weight of what she had done, of the beliefs she had so passionately held and passed on to her children, crashed down on her like an unforgiving wave” Fuck you Cindy, you’ve dug not just your grave but Greg’s as well.
5.2) “she had never imagined, not for a second, that she herself could end up on the wrong side of that divide.” And that’s part of why you’re the only little I’d be willing to think deserves this
6) “now grappling with the loss of her parents in a way no child should have to” really shitty thing for her, Cindy’s teachings have ruined this in more ways than I could possibly have imagined.
7.1) “Cindy hated herself for dragging Greg into this world alongside her” Good, you should feel bad about that.
7.2) “But she couldn’t imagine being in this alone. Even now, even as Littles, they were still a couple. They could still love each other” I can see why that’d be a comfort to her.
8) “They owed it to Madison and McKenzie to keep going,” I can see that being more than enough motivation for both of then, they still love their kids despite everything.
9.1) “You can’t blame yourself, Cindy,” yes she can, it’s her fault.
9.2) “Even if I had known this is where we’d end up, I would have tried to argue with you, to make you see another way. But in the end, I’d still follow you,” Ok Greg, that’s just stupid, while I support the argument of standing by your spouse and having a united front, I do think their should be limits and restrictions to keep it within reason.
10) “Greg’s eyes softened as he looked at Cindy, his love for her unwavering despite the surreal and degrading circumstances they now found themselves in” as much as I hate Cindy, I do love Greg’s love for her. And it would emboldened them both to carry on.
11) “We’re still blessed, Cindy,” not sure I like Greg calling them “blessed” but still getting to witness their daughters futures would be a silver lining, although they’d only get a partial, often distorted view of them.
1) That’d honestly be so hard for them, even after all she’s done to them.
It would for any real parent. As they would want to be there for child and a parent does tend to love there child unconditionally.
2) that’s a good pair of parents right there.
Well they do love there kids. The situation is messed up for everyone and they are all trying to find there way which there is a level of understanding but at the endof the day. They will always stand by there kids as they do love and care about them even if they don’t agree with the choices or decisions they make as that’s kind of what parents do at least good ones.
3) their connection could be reinstated if only Cindy and Madison hadn’t perpetuated their beliefs.
I agree and this is all generally in the moment kind of things. Where in time and the further they move away from infection day. Mindsets and ideals could change in time. Madison isn’t all that old where she can’t still change her mind. I mean the things i thought at 14 didn’t necessarily all carry through to adult hoold as core beliefs. I grew and changed Madison could do the same.
4) their connection could be reinstated if only Cindy and Madison hadn’t perpetuated their beliefs.
I agree and I think in time they could develop to do more. Everyhting is so compressed at the moment timewise.
5)Fuck you Cindy, you’ve dug not just your grave but Greg’s as well.
Yes, this was cindy’s realization moment of the damage she had done.
5.2) And that’s part of why you’re the only little I’d be willing to think deserves this
I feel like you hate Cindy more then Sara.
6) really shitty thing for her, Cindy’s teachings have ruined this in more ways than I could possibly have imagined.
It would be difficult to see the unintended consequences of your actions come to fruition and you realize your mistakes and flaws in them but are powerless to correct or change them.
7) Good, you should feel bad about that.
I agree and it does humanize her to me a bit as she can recognize her mistakes. Whether she can grow form them is yet to be seen but she can at least identify where she went wrong.
7.2) I can see why that’d be a comfort to her.
I think that’s true of most people is that in a bad situation you would rather have someone with you to kind of share and help each other through it then face it alone.
8) ” I can see that being more than enough motivation for both of then, they still love their kids despite everything.
It is very much the love there children and wanting to be there for them. Especially as the grow and there ideals change there is some realization that the people they are today may not be the people they are tomorrow.
It’s not like Madison coudln’t lighten up or change her methods and styles as she grows into being a guardian and interacts with her littles and maybe even realizes herself not everything her mom taught her was right. Just like not everything cindy preached would be inherently bad.
9)yes she can, it’s her fault.a
Lol i picture you giving a pep talk and just continually beating her down at every corner.
10) Ok Greg, that’s just stupid, while I support the argument of standing by your spouse and having a united front, I do think their should be limits and restrictions to keep it within reason.
somethings are said to ones wife or loved one just to make them feel better even if you don’t 100% believe them. I had a manager who once told me that it doesn’t cost you anything to say I’m sorry or let another person think they’ve won or were right even if you don’t think it. As sometimes people just need to hear that its okay or things aren’t as bad as they seem even if the house is burning around them.
The intention was that was greg in that moment in that he recognizes this is Cindy’s fault and they are in this shit because of her but it also does no one any good to pile it on her in this moment.
11) not sure I like Greg calling them “blessed” but still getting to witness their daughters futures would be a silver lining, although they’d only get a partial, often distorted view of them.
Well it is blessed in the sense that they can still see there girls and interact with them and be apart of there lives something that woudln’t be possible if in different situations. They could have ended up as evan’s littles or a little to someone like Mia or even if they were in a good situation like Chrissy they would never see there family again and always wonder what there girls are doing.
1 & 2) For better or worse, I’m glad they still love their parents still love them.
3) She could change, we saw Cindy’s tears did have an effect on her, and she’s regretted going too far at times so change is an option,
4) I hope it gets better for Greg
5.2) It’s an apples and oranges comparison. One of my biggest issues with Sara is that she’s a karma Houdini and never faces the consequences of her actions, compared to Cindy where the whole story is consequences for her actions.
Cindy and Sara have basically the same beliefs, Cindy is just a lot stricter with them than Sara is, but Cindy has also thrown out more of her beliefs about littles where as Sara’s has barely changed since the beginnings of their respective series.
I’d Say I hate Cindy more now, but that may change when Smallara Prime starts up again.
7.2) If she was offered the chance to change Greg into a human but she herself stayed a little, would she take it or keep him little with her do you think?
8) Hope for a better future and desire to see it when it happens is a solid motivation for them.
Madison learning to sought threw all the lesson’s she’s been taught and identify which parts are good and bad would definitely be something to look forward to, and hope is possible.
9.1) Fuck yeah.
9.2 & 10) “it doesn’t cost you anything to say I’m sorry or let another person think they’ve won or were right” except for the times it will cost you, I can accept not arguing if it’s beating a dead horse, but letting them think they’re right could reinforce or solidify the wrong information they’re holding, emboldening them to take it further in the future, especially if they believe you owe them an apology for disagreeing, it could also hurt your credibility with that person or with multiple people if the argument isn’t private.
I do like that Greg’s love for her includes accepting her despite this fault and he’s trying to comfort her, I just don’t like how he’s expressing it.
11) To me it’s always gonna sound like “Yes wer’e in a shitty situation, but at least we’re not in a REALLY shitty situation”
Well that’s one hella nice silver lining at least not perfect but it’s enough for them which is good for them even through the all dehumanizing, being humiliated by Mads and her friends, being forced to follow the very stupid rules that Cindy made they are willing to go through it all just to see be there for Mads and McKenzie which I honestly respect even though Cindy sucks and needs a ass kicking but she going through it as is so she get some mercy for her own mistakes but for a bit.
Overall emotional support chapter which is great to see. Honestly I’m curious about how their “grandkids” will look at them because they still technically their biological grandparents. Probably the same as Mads is doing maybe differently and resist that old teaching like most kids do (most not all) either way I would like to see that.
I thoguht you would like this chapter as you seem big on family which is great and this chapter is kind of in the vibes that you generally seem to like in that its about family and them being together and finding a away through this and being there in spite of everything.
Crocodile tears. She is setting up a system of slavery for her parents. She is enforcing a system that won’t even let her father talk to her directly anymore.
I do think it’s real sadness and tears.
Completely agree that it’s a system of slavery.
I’m pretty sure Greg can still talk to her directly, I think those rules were for adressing other guardians.
Oh? Do you think he will be able to talk to her in front of other guardians? I think not.