Greg and Cindy sat in the quiet of their habitat, the echoes of Trina, Evan, and Madison’s words lingering in the room like a fog they couldn’t escape. The weight of their new lives as Littles bore down on them in ways they never imagined, reduced to this state, clinging to the fragile thread of duty they still felt toward their daughters. For Madison. For McKenzie. They would endure.
“I can’t believe how long we held that little sit,” Greg muttered, breaking the silence. His voice was tight with exhaustion, the throbbing in his knees a constant reminder of his body’s limitations. “My knees felt like they’d give out if Madison hadn’t pet us. It’s surreal. Her touch just… fixes things. We get relief people pay good money for.”
Cindy’s eyes remained distant, her lips pressing into a tight line. “I guess it’s not all bad,” she said softly, her tone edged with bitterness. “Once you accept being their pets.”
The word stung as soon as it left her mouth. Greg saw the flash of pain in her eyes, the brief moment where the reality of their situation broke through the fragile barrier she’d tried to maintain. Cindy was never one to feel powerless—yet here they were, domesticated, trained like any Little they once dismissed.
Silence returned, the two of them reflecting on the new rhythms of their lives. How easily Madison’s touch could erase the strain in their bodies, but never the deeper, emotional scars. The sound of the door opening jarred them both. Madison couldn’t be back so soon, could she?
But it wasn’t Madison who entered.
McKenzie stepped into the room, fresh from her shift, her hair tousled by the wind outside. Her presence instantly shifted the air. She moved with a confidence that felt foreign to Greg, even after everything. McKenzie wasn’t just their daughter anymore, she was their authority.
Greg’s breath caught at the sight of her. The daughter they once raised now loomed over them, a guardian in every sense of the word. He glanced at Cindy, who sat frozen, her eyes wide as if hoping to avoid the inevitable confrontation.
McKenzie set down her bag, her attention flickering to the habitat. A small, almost tender smile crossed her lips, though the weight behind it was unmistakable.
“Hey, Mom… Dad,” she said, her voice tinged with an unsettling warmth. “Madison’s been looking after you?”
Greg and Cindy exchanged uneasy glances, the unspoken dynamic between them thickening the air. The roles had reversed so fully that even nodding in response felt like a submission.
Cindy’s voice was tentative. “Yes, McKenzie,” The collar tightened before she could finish the sentence, cutting her off with a sharp gasp. She clawed at her throat, eyes wide in panic. Greg jumped to his feet, but McKenzie’s calm gaze remained fixed on Cindy.
The correction was swift. Brutal.
“Mom…” McKenzie stepped closer, a small frown marring her face. “What did you forget?” McKenzie asked with concern in her voice before realizing what had happened. McKenzie sighed briefly looking towards the door for Madison with a flicker of annoyance.
Cindy’s heart raced as she caught her breath, the humiliation settling in. “I-I’m sorry, Mistress Wessen,” she whispered, barely able to meet McKenzie’s gaze. The words felt foreign on her tongue, an admission of defeat she still wasn’t ready to make.
For a moment, McKenzie’s face softened, as if the weight of her mother’s submission struck her in a way she hadn’t anticipated. But it was fleeting. Cindy’s earlier stance on Littles, her rigid rules, her cruel enforcement of the very collars that now bound her, echoed in the room like a ghost.
McKenzie sighed, looking down at her mother kneeling down to see her easier. This wasn’t a mere Little. This was the woman who had once governed her life, dismissing her views, never believing in her. It wasn’t just about the collar or the stupid name mistake. It was about all the times Cindy had placed her faith in Madison and never in her. McKenzie thought her stance hardening. She didn’t care about the formalities Cindy was always so rigid about.
“You need to remember the rules, Mom,” McKenzie said softly but firmly. “Your rules.”
Greg stayed quiet, watching helplessly as Cindy tried to steady her breathing. Seeing his wife in this position, corrected, vulnerable, was a stark reminder of how much had changed. Even as McKenzie’s smile returned, there was no denying the shift in power between them.
McKenzie crouched down to meet their eyes. “What have you been doing all day?” she asked, her tone more casual, as though the correction hadn’t just happened.
Cindy looked up at her daughter, the woman she had once scolded for irresponsibility now towering over her in every conceivable way. For a brief moment, the roles of mother and daughter felt inverted beyond repair. Cindy swallowed hard. This was McKenzie’s world now.
Without warning, Cindy knelt before McKenzie, letting her knees sink into the plush pink carpet. She lowered her head, not daring to look up.
McKenzie blinked, her eyes widening at the sight of her mother kneeling, not as a guardian but as a Little, fully submitting. She had seen this posture before, training other Littles with her friends, guiding them through the motions. But this, this was Cindy Wessen. The Cindy who had advocated for collars, for control, who had fought tooth and nail against even the smallest ounce of freedom for Littles.
“Thank you for gracing us, Mistress Wessen,” Cindy whispered, her voice trembling as she avoided her daughter’s gaze. Greg, catching on to the situation, followed suit, sinking to his knees beside her.
McKenzie stared at them, her heart tightening. It wasn’t the sight of them kneeling that unnerved her even it was uncomfortable. It was the hypocrisy by her mother. The sudden, desperate change. Cindy had never believed in her. And now, now that she was a Little herself, did she really think a few words of submission would make up for everything? Her words, her submission it wasn’t out of love, it wasn’t out of apology. It was survival.
McKenzie’s blood boiled. She let them stay there for a moment longer before gently placing her hand on the floor of the habitat. Greg hesitated before climbing on, casting an apologetic look at Cindy. She nodded weakly, the weight of the moment crushing her.
“Just Dad,” McKenzie said coldly, wagging her finger at Cindy. “The nonbelievers can stay here.”
Cindy’s heart sank as she watched McKenzie lift Greg away, her voice barely more than a whisper. “Please, Mistress Wessen. Take me too. I’m sorry.”
McKenzie paused, looking down at her mother. Her expression was unreadable, but her eyes burned with a quiet intensity. “You should be,” she said softly. “Maybe one day you’ll believe in me the way you believed in Madison. Until then, you stay here.”
Wow, Mistress Wessen from McKenzie I did not expect that.
I guess Kenzie means that Cindy did not believe in her in a general sense. Otherwise I’m confused as to what she’s referring too
That’s pretty much it I think, just all the times she treated Madison as the favorite
CM is correct that is exactly right. It was Cindy didn’t believe in McKenzie ideals around littles which is different then Cindy’s and they got into arguments which McKenzie had to kind of be bigger person and defer to her mother.
Then when McKenzie left her tennis camp to come home and had ideas to fix things and such Cindy didn’t fully support McKenzie which she took as yet another example of her mother not believing in her.
So when she went to talk to her dad ins season 1 and he did believe in her and supported her ideas. It kind of reinforced a long-held belief she had over Cindy not trusting her, cindy not believing in her opinions or thoughts and Madison who was younger took in what her mother believed as right as she didn’t know any better and so Cindy and Madison had a better relationship or “favored” child as it could be viewed.
Which is what she si referring too. Its kin of been discussed throughout but wasn’t formally said concisely.
I got it, thanks for the info.
I need to get better at within the story sometimes adding in more of the details that are sprinkled throughout into one concise point at varying points in a story.
1)how long in total was the little sit?
2)Once you accept being their pets
long way away from that still, unless that’s just an observation of Trina’s reactions
3)McKenzie wasn’t just their daughter anymore, she was their authority.
probably need to see her more to get used to that
4)Yes, McKenzie,” The collar tightened before she could finish the sentence, cutting her off with a sharp gasp. She clawed at her throat, eyes wide in panic.
figured that would happen, but at least Cindy spoke first. I guess that’s something
5.1)McKenzie’s calm gaze remained fixed on Cindy.
oh fuck
5.2)“Mom…” McKenzie stepped closer, a small frown marring her face. “What did you forget?”
losing me, Kenzie, though I shouldn’t be surprised she’d know about the name stuff
6) Cindy’s heart raced as she caught her breath, the humiliation settling in. “I-I’m sorry, Mistress Wessen,” she whispered, barely able to meet McKenzie’s gaze
that’d make me feel awful, too
7) It was about all the times Cindy had placed her faith in Madison and never in her
Kenzie, I’ve been there, but this isn’t a solution. fire with fire never works. Be better
8)“You need to remember the rules, Mom,” McKenzie said softly but firmly. “Your rules.”
Greg’s gonna be learning those rules too. Hope hime changing and not wanting to talk openly with you anymore makes you see you need to change
9)this was Cindy Wessen. The Cindy who had advocated for collars, for control, who had fought tooth and nail against even the smallest ounce of freedom for Littles.
reap what you sowe, but please Kenzie be the better person
10)Her words, her submission it wasn’t out of love, it wasn’t out of apology. It was survival.
and soon Gregs will be too. They aren’t just rules for Cindy, Kenzie, they’re for Greg too. I really hope the interactions between Greg and Kenzie shift to more clinical and distant. Like I’d think at somepoint it’d look like this:
Kenzie: Daddy…why have you been so queit? You haven’t really been yourself or even conversing with me
Greg: I’m..I’m sorry Mistress Wessen…I’m just..following the rules. I can’t really say much like I used to. I’m..not really supposed to talk to you unless you talk to me, just like you wanted..
Kenzie: No that’s…That’s just for mom, okay? you can be yourself here
Greg, shaking his head: I’m sorry, Mistress Wessen…I need to follow the rules
Kenzie wasn’t sure what to do as she saw this. This wasn’t her dad, but she wanted it to be so bad.
Kenzie: well…you’re hear with me, on team Kenzie, remember? So you don’t need to do that here, okay?
Greg hesitated but answered: I’ll…need to ask Ms. Cindy and have her check with Ms. Madison…I need to follow the chain of command…
Just a stupid one off I came up with, but you get what I mean lol
1)how long in total was the little sit?
Hmmm well madison got up but the girls didn’t come over right away as Madison ate with her parents and hten did some cleaning so it was probably 330 or 4ish. Then they hung out for a bit and left probably around dinner time so 6 or 7ish. So probably 2 or 3 hours which when your not used to kneeling is a long time.
2)Once you accept being their pets
long way away from that still, unless that’s just an observation of Trina’s reactions
I would say that level of acceptance is a ways off accepting being a little in and of itself would need to come first as just getting comfortable in your skin and your new reality is an adjustment regardless of the situation you are in.
3)McKenzie wasn’t just their daughter anymore, she was their authority.
probably need to see her more to get used to that
I would agree as tehy have seen mckenize the least as she has been busy. But the readers get to find out what she was doing pretty soon.
4)Yes, McKenzie,” The collar tightened before she could finish the sentence, cutting her off with a sharp gasp. She clawed at her throat, eyes wide in panic.
figured that would happen, but at least Cindy spoke first. I guess that’s something
It was kind of predictable but I needed to show it in action. So it seemed like an appropriate time.
5.1)McKenzie’s calm gaze remained fixed on Cindy.
oh fuck
Yup, I mean there is only so much she could do in that situation to be fair.
5.2)“Mom…” McKenzie stepped closer, a small frown marring her face. “What did you forget?”
losing me, Kenzie, though I shouldn’t be surprised she’d know about the name stuff
She did grow up in the Wessen house and listened to probably Cindy training, ideals and methods more thousands upon thousands of hours. Moreso then probably most anyone. The intent was she wasn’t shocked by it happening even if though she wasn’t aware that the policy had been specifically put into place. She then puts two and two together knowing what he rmothers rules were and what Madison told her of hte collar she got.
6) Cindy’s heart raced as she caught her breath, the humiliation settling in. “I-I’m sorry, Mistress Wessen,” she whispered, barely able to meet McKenzie’s gaze
that’d make me feel awful, too
I’m a bit Torn as if roles were reversed CIndy would not think anything of it or that it is wrong. She really only feels abd becuase she is going thorugh it and these things are happening to her.
7) It was about all the times Cindy had placed her faith in Madison and never in her
Kenzie, I’ve been there, but this isn’t a solution. fire with fire never works. Be better
I agree to a point. I mean there is a point when even if its family you need to make your stand. But also at sixteen I doubt I woudl ahve done anything different. It’s only with life expierence and a family that I have grown to have different perspective and thoughts with maturity that I surely didn’t have at 16.
8)“You need to remember the rules, Mom,” McKenzie said softly but firmly. “Your rules.”
Greg’s gonna be learning those rules too. Hope hime changing and not wanting to talk openly with you anymore makes you see you need to change
That would still be Cindy’s fault. It would be like raising your child to be racist and then shocked when they turn out racist and not realizing that its wrong. Greg is kind of hte victim in that sense. In that he didn’t ask or advocate for it. His only real failure was not speaking up to stop it. Which dont’t get me wrong isn’t right but also a failure I can safely say most if not all of us have had where you may know something is worng but you don’t say anything or don’t really care enough to say something.
9)this was Cindy Wessen. The Cindy who had advocated for collars, for control, who had fought tooth and nail against even the smallest ounce of freedom for Littles.
reap what you sowe, but please Kenzie be the better person
It is possible ot be a better person also not be first inline to forgive and forget. I rememebr growing up there was a neighborhood lady older in my grandma’s neighborhood who would say god may have mercy for sins but I do not have forgive and forget.
10)Her words, her submission it wasn’t out of love, it wasn’t out of apology. It was survival.
and soon Gregs will be too. They aren’t just rules for Cindy, Kenzie, they’re for Greg too. I really hope the interactions between Greg and Kenzie shift to more clinical and distant. Like I’d think at somepoint it’d look like this:
Kenzie: Daddy…why have you been so queit? You haven’t really been yourself or even conversing with me
Greg: I’m..I’m sorry Mistress Wessen…I’m just..following the rules. I can’t really say much like I used to. I’m..not really supposed to talk to you unless you talk to me, just like you wanted..
Kenzie: No that’s…That’s just for mom, okay? you can be yourself here
Greg, shaking his head: I’m sorry, Mistress Wessen…I need to follow the rules
Kenzie wasn’t sure what to do as she saw this. This wasn’t her dad, but she wanted it to be so bad.
Kenzie: well…you’re hear with me, on team Kenzie, remember? So you don’t need to do that here, okay?
Greg hesitated but answered: I’ll…need to ask Ms. Cindy and have her check with Ms. Madison…I need to follow the chain of command…
Just a stupid one off I came up with, but you get what I mean lol
lol, I am surprised how much people are picking up on Trina’s point of Trina speaking and then Cindy speaking. That wasn’t meant quite as literal and black and white as its being applied. The application of it is alot like english where there context clues you kind of know what word to use. Based on teh situation you can generally have a good idea on this is something they want to hear from you on or if you should defer your thoughts.
1)Hmmm well madison got up but the girls didn’t come over right away as Madison ate with her parents and hten did some cleaning so it was probably 330 or 4ish. Then they hung out for a bit and left probably around dinner time so 6 or 7ish. So probably 2 or 3 hours which when your not used to kneeling is a long time.
that’s pretty impressive. Granted, I’m overweight and out of shape so I have knee issues and get sore easily lol but 2-3 hours even inshape isn’t anything to scoff at
2)I would say that level of acceptance is a ways off accepting being a little in and of itself would need to come first as just getting comfortable in your skin and your new reality is an adjustment regardless of the situation you are in.
true. I still kinda feel like Madison and company are rushing it too much though. But I’m guessing that’s a cindy thing
3)I would agree as tehy have seen mckenize the least as she has been busy. But the readers get to find out what she was doing pretty soon.
idk if that is ominous or not lol I do wonder if she wants to show Greg for his approval and praise. that’d be kind of a cute moment
4)It was kind of predictable but I needed to show it in action. So it seemed like an appropriate time.
fair
5.1, 5.2)Yup, I mean there is only so much she could do in that situation to be fair. She did grow up in the Wessen house and listened to probably Cindy training, ideals and methods more thousands upon thousands of hours. Moreso then probably most anyone. The intent was she wasn’t shocked by it happening even if though she wasn’t aware that the policy had been specifically put into place. She then puts two and two together knowing what he rmothers rules were and what Madison told her of hte collar she got.
good points
6)I’m a bit Torn as if roles were reversed CIndy would not think anything of it or that it is wrong. She really only feels abd becuase she is going thorugh it and these things are happening to her.
That’s true, but I think that it’s also hard for Cindy to show Kenzie she’s trying to accept everything and learn she is wrong if Kenzie just won’t give her the chance
7)I agree to a point. I mean there is a point when even if its family you need to make your stand. But also at sixteen I doubt I woudl ahve done anything different. It’s only with life expierence and a family that I have grown to have different perspective and thoughts with maturity that I surely didn’t have at 16.
Kenzie just seems that mature to me I guess. Like She’s still 16 sure, but she has come across as very mature and put together. Like I know this is a result of years of tension, but still, I’m hoping she learns to let it go. maybe even remember good times she had with her mom. It’s probably hard to think you’re not as loved as the other child, but that doesn’t mean you should reciprocate that love by loving your parent less. if that makes sense
8)That would still be Cindy’s fault. It would be like raising your child to be racist and then shocked when they turn out racist and not realizing that its wrong. Greg is kind of hte victim in that sense. In that he didn’t ask or advocate for it. His only real failure was not speaking up to stop it. Which dont’t get me wrong isn’t right but also a failure I can safely say most if not all of us have had where you may know something is worng but you don’t say anything or don’t really care enough to say something.
I don’t disagree with that. My point was more of I’m hoping Kenzie see that not changing the rules that Cindy advocated for will cause her to lose her dad in the process. Like if Greg were to slip into a different role and his personality changed because of the rules Kenzie is allowing to be enforced, I think Kenzie would be heart broken as she wouldn’t have the father she loves, just the little version created by the rules Cindy implemented and Madison and her friends Modified in his place. At least I would feel guilty if I was in that position.
9)It is possible ot be a better person also not be first inline to forgive and forget. I rememebr growing up there was a neighborhood lady older in my grandma’s neighborhood who would say god may have mercy for sins but I do not have forgive and forget.
She doesn’t need to be first in line, but she shouldn’t seemingly dismiss the option all together and take a chance to rub cindy nose into a reality of her own creation every chance she gets. Grated it’s still only been a couple of days, but still, I have a hard time with that idea even with my own parents
10) lol, I am surprised how much people are picking up on Trina’s point of Trina speaking and then Cindy speaking. That wasn’t meant quite as literal and black and white as its being applied. The application of it is alot like english where there context clues you kind of know what word to use. Based on teh situation you can generally have a good idea on this is something they want to hear from you on or if you should defer your thoughts.
I’m a pretty literal person with black and white thinking lol can’t speak for everyone else, but I take things like that literally without examples of it in practice.
I don’t know if I should be disappointed or disgusted by McKenzie behavior cause now she pushing this “oh Cindy did this to me shit” like I get it but at the same time you need to be the bigger person and try to make a better environment for the family. Right now she showing her immaturity and lack of making life worse for her mother who is trying to follow the rules and didn’t even do anything beside submitting and correct her tone towards McKenzie so honestly I don’t get how she is getting mad because she assumes Cindy is doing the only out of survival but she do it because she’s wants to be in your life as well and be that perfect little.
I don’t know I’m just I get her being angry but this feels overreacting for stuff that at some point your going to have to let go and try to make the best of situation at hand. At least I respect Cindy trying to ride this new world out and mentally and physically submitting to the new Order of things but McKenzie can’t get over this one, two or how many things Cindy has done which at the moment doesn’t seem like a lot just one or two things
The undertone is that McKenzie has been the bigger person for years. When her mother trashed her beliefs, thoughts and opinions and McKenzie smiled and took it in stride being the bigger person and it was only Greg who fought with Cindy for McKenzie’s right to be different.
Shes still mad at her mother from what happened in Season 1 but also before then as she doesn’t believe that her mother fought for this way of lifeand advocated for this, and held fundraisers, and raised funds for political parties who believe similarly would in a matter of two days do a 180.
She thinks Cindy is being benevolent, not to be kind to McKenize or show remorse, or to make up for the times Cindy belittled her ideals. But because Cindy is on the other end of her beliefs and is now looking to use McKenzie.
This would be like living pre civil war for instance and lets say the wessens lived in the south and McKenzie believed all the slaves should be free and Cindy believed that they be property and work the fields and be bought and sold. They don’t have rights because they aren’t people.
Then Cindy waking up one day and discovering she’s a slave and then going to McKenzie a day or two after and all the sudden doing a 180 after having spent years tearing down, years not believing, years when they would get into debates and arguments about this McKenzie having to ultimately be the bigger person and submit.
Then on top of that when McKenize came home and had all the ideas and ways to help Cindy still didn’t believe in her and that was just the straw that broke the camels back.
The intent isn’t persay its just this one insular event its a history and series of things. Which is laid out but its one of the downsides to a daily episodic format as some material isn’t presented with others.
So while I don’t think you are wrong and can agree with you that McKenzie should be a bigger person but I’m also a man grown and married and she’s 16 years olds in high school. Having to take on a lot of things she shoudln’t have too. Not that it excuses things but it is also understandable.
One thing I often forget is that these are grown adults dealing with teenagers that aren’t fully developed yet. Teens are emotional, irrational and hormonal. I don’t think Greg and Cindy realize that to the fullest capacity because they are too focused on the situation
As the girls grow older and become more mature things will probably change for the better. Till then they should probably try to understand that they are dealing with teens who are naturally irrational and emotional. Especially teenage girls.
Most certainly 100%. Madison is definately not the person she would be in 10 years mckenize either. As i know the person i was at those ages is so different.
1.1) “clinging to the fragile thread of duty they still felt toward their daughters” probably not a good sign it’s getting called fragile.
1.2) “For Madison. For McKenzie. They would endure” I know they want to, but how long can they?
2) “I guess it’s not all bad once you accept being their pets.” Looking for positives does make sense, but even in their desperate search, they find the positive conditional on a negative.
3) “domesticated, trained like any Little they once dismissed.” they were already domesticated as humans, and they are far from trained
4) Kenzie’s back, yay.
5) “Madison’s been looking after you?” that depends on what you consider looking after to mean.
6) “The correction was swift. Brutal.” fuck yeah it was.
7) “Cindy’s earlier stance on Littles, her rigid rules, her cruel enforcement of the very collars that now bound her, echoed in the room like a ghost.” I do love that Cindy’s actions have consequences, unlike certain others in this world.
8) “It wasn’t just about the collar or the stupid name mistake. It was about all the times Cindy had placed her faith in Madison and never in her. McKenzie thought her stance hardening” I can see her being ok with that to spite Cindy, It’s disappointing but not without reason, but she does realise that could just as easily have been Greg, right?
9) “This was McKenzie’s world now.” oh wonderful, I feel that’d be a much better story.
10) “She had seen this posture before, training other Littles with her friends, guiding them through the motions” so she’s also taken part in Cindy’s bullshit, and now acts above it hypocritically, while I do think she was a lot gentler about it than Cindy, but still she’s participated.
11) “The Cindy who had advocated for collars, for control, who had fought tooth and nail against even the smallest ounce of freedom for Littles.” The cruelty of Cindy gets worse with every elaboration (though this one sounds like McKenzie exaggerating)
12) “Thank you for gracing us, Mistress Wessen,” Cindy whispered” to have to treat your one daughter like that, bending over backwards is so fucked up.
13.1) “It was the hypocrisy by her mother. The sudden, desperate change. Cindy had never believed in her.” and what about the hypocrisy of McKenzie? She was so against her mother’s cruel stance and then willingly participating as a get-back.
13.2) “And now, now that she was a Little herself, did she really think a few words of submission would make up for everything? Her words, her submission it wasn’t out of love, it wasn’t out of apology. It was survival.” What did she expect? she’s already shot down her mother’s attempt at apologising.
14) “Just Dad, The nonbelievers can stay here.” That’s cold, but also I like Mckenzie more when it’s just her and Greg.
15) “You should be. Maybe one day you’ll believe in me the way you believed in Madison. Until then, you stay here.” I can understand her hurt, and I’m far from a Cindy sympathiser, but McKenzie’s only going to ruin relationships if she keeps rejecting Cindy’s apologies and not just the one between mother and daughter.
16) “McKenzie sighed briefly looking towards the door for Madison with a flicker of annoyance.” Annoyed and Madison for setting this up? a hint she doesn’t support these rules and would like them changed in future?
You know what I just thought of that I want to see? A Cindy rally lol just one to see what they were like.
Funnily enough, I’ve been looking for a war to incorporate one into a fanfic, lol.
1.1) “clinging to the fragile thread of duty they still felt toward their daughters” probably not a good sign it’s getting called fragile.
I wouldn’t overly read into that.
1.2) “For Madison. For McKenzie. They would endure” I know they want to, but how long can they?
Parents can endure alot for their kids. If it was a stranger it would be a different story I think.
2) “I guess it’s not all bad once you accept being their pets.” Looking for positives does make sense, but even in their desperate search, they find the positive conditional on a negative.
True, although not having to go to work would be a positive.
3) “domesticated, trained like any Little they once dismissed.” they were already domesticated as humans, and they are far from trained
I feel like its a different level of domestication though as you have a great level of autonomy and independence.
4) Kenzie’s back, yay.
Yup
5) “Madison’s been looking after you?” that depends on what you consider looking after to mean.
True but she meant it out of a concern and wonder or curiousity.
6) “The correction was swift. Brutal.” fuck yeah it was.
lol
7) “Cindy’s earlier stance on Littles, her rigid rules, her cruel enforcement of the very collars that now bound her, echoed in the room like a ghost.” I do love that Cindy’s actions have consequences, unlike certain others in this world.
I agree Chloe needs to be reigned in her actions deserve consequence lol.
But seriously, that was feedback I took when i made this is and partially the reason for cindys’ character.
8) “It wasn’t just about the collar or the stupid name mistake. It was about all the times Cindy had placed her faith in Madison and never in her. McKenzie thought her stance hardening” I can see her being ok with that to spite Cindy, It’s disappointing but not without reason, but she does realise that could just as easily have been Greg, right?
I think her relationship with her dad is better though where she knows he would never. He has a lifetime of doing right by her where Cindy has let McKenzie down time and time again in her eyes. Even if Cindy doens’t feel that way or realized thats how McKenzie felt. Thats how Mckenize took it and internalized it.
She does still protect her mom in alot of ways though. She did reign madison in at dinner.
9) “This was McKenzie’s world now.” oh wonderful, I feel that’d be a much better story.
It would be different that is for sure.
10) “She had seen this posture before, training other Littles with her friends, guiding them through the motions” so she’s also taken part in Cindy’s bullshit, and now acts above it hypocritically, while I do think she was a lot gentler about it than Cindy, but still she’s participated.
I believe you have taken that the wrong way. Mckenzie has helped her friends but she didn’t use Cindy’s methods it was in her own style. The little sit isn’t inherently bad as McKenzie isn’t having them do it for long periods of time. Normally its more a calm yourself situation. She knows Cindy’s methods becuase its her mom and she lives in the same house and she’d skilled but they aren’t normally the tools she pulls out of the toolbox.
11) “The Cindy who had advocated for collars, for control, who had fought tooth and nail against even the smallest ounce of freedom for Littles.” The cruelty of Cindy gets worse with every elaboration (though this one sounds like McKenzie exaggerating)
Shes not exaggerating but its her view of the situation. So its how she actually feels and perceives it.
12) “Thank you for gracing us, Mistress Wessen,” Cindy whispered” to have to treat your one daughter like that, bending over backwards is so fucked up.
It’s what Cindy’s view of things. If she wasn’t infected there is a strong liklihood she wouldn’t have changed. It’s not a zero chance that seh would have put greg through it.
13.1) “It was the hypocrisy by her mother. The sudden, desperate change. Cindy had never believed in her.” and what about the hypocrisy of McKenzie? She was so against her mother’s cruel stance and then willingly participating as a get-back.
Although she’s not getting back at her, really. She has stepped in when things have gotten to far. However she is also not going out of her way to help her mother. It’s really just letting her expierence and live what she fought for. As from McKenzie’s perspective this is what advocated to me for years, this is what you belittled my beliefs for years. This is what she picked madison over her for in McKenzie’s eyes.
13.2) “And now, now that she was a Little herself, did she really think a few words of submission would make up for everything? Her words, her submission it wasn’t out of love, it wasn’t out of apology. It was survival.” What did she expect? she’s already shot down her mother’s attempt at apologising.
True, the intent is its a mixture of shes only apologizing now because shes a little as she woudln’t be apologizing if she wasn’t a little. So that only makes her more upset. As it feels not sincere.
14) “Just Dad, The nonbelievers can stay here.” That’s cold, but also I like Mckenzie more when it’s just her and Greg.
She could also just want time with her father. As she has a good relationship with him.
15) “You should be. Maybe one day you’ll believe in me the way you believed in Madison. Until then, you stay here.” I can understand her hurt, and I’m far from a Cindy sympathiser, but McKenzie’s only going to ruin relationships if she keeps rejecting Cindy’s apologies and not just the one between mother and daughter.
It could just be to soon. The latest incident wasnt that long ago. Sometimes people need time and space before they are ready to hear an apology and McKenzie has years of reasons built up for why she wouldn’t want to. She could also need some kind gesture beyond just the words to show that she is actually sorry. Just submitting, McKenzie could view it as disingenuous as she may not think she actually is submitting as a way to show she’s sorry. She could be doing it just by going through the motions. So the gesture can not have same kind of effect and if the gesture is something you can easily do its also easy to just fake it and not mean it and Cindy has plenty of reasons to just fake it.
An apology is only worth something if the person believes you are actually sincere.
16) “McKenzie sighed briefly looking towards the door for Madison with a flicker of annoyance.” Annoyed and Madison for setting this up? a hint she doesn’t support these rules and would like them changed in future?
Setting the seeds of it atleast. As she doesn’t like all the methods that are used. Like the little sit for instance. There is a time and place to use it in McKenzie’s eyes. Kind of like the little flick. There is a time and place for it. Kind of like spanking a child. There is a time and place for it but it shouldn’t be the only thing you do for punishment either its just one parenting tool.
McKenzie has a philosophically different approach to things.
1.1) Understood.
1.2) A stranger wouldn’t be nearly as forgiving or patient.
2) They’ll still have to work, it’ll be degrading, more physically challenging and less rewarding.
3) It’s different, but it’s still domesticated.
7) Yeah, and while we’re at it what the fucks wrong with Hailey and Chrissy? Lol
I’m glad to have inspired this world in such ways.
8) Yeah, but I’m wondering how she’d react if it was Greg who said “McKenzie” and started choking instead of Cindy. She does protect Cindy, it’s fewer and farther between.
10) I see, the little sit just sucks to me, I’ve sat like that I know how it can hurt, but If McKenzie is closer to Chrissy or Hailey I’d take that as a win.
12) I know, it’s sad thinking she’d treat Greg like that.
13.1) She’s allowing Madison to treat Cindy what she considers poorly and only protects her when it gets really bad, I get that it’s what they disagreed on, and it’s Cindy’s stance being reflected on her, but it still feels like hypocrisy to me, she now has the better than ever chance to prover her way is better but chooses not to.
13.2) To me, she was apologising because she realised she was wrong, and that wouldn’t have happened if she wasn’t a little, so in that sense McKenzie is technically correct.
15) I agree that an apology is more than just words, and time may be required to fully be ready to hear and accept one. McKenzie and Cindy have probably been like this for almost four years. What kind of gesture would she need that Cindy could do to earn her forgiveness?
16) I’m interested to know how McKenzie would react to Trina getting violent with her parents, she was worse with Cindy but Greg wasn’t untouched.
8) you actually get to see in the not to distant future
10) agreed, I would say McKenzie is closer to Chrissy but probably not quite as good of Chrissy in D&D terms i’d say McKenzie is probably neutral good.
13) that is true but I will say she has a reason.
13.2) I agree you captured in this statement the exact argument i was going for and what i was hoping would be pulled form it.
15) Only time will tell. An olive branch does get extended eventually.
16) I guess it depends what level of beating. If she was just beating them a pulp she would step in regardless.
If she just forced them back down she would probably not like it but bite her lip if it was pre-adoption still. Regardless of state it would take less for her to intervene for her father but she would still stick up for her mother if Trina was violent with her mother.
McKenzie is aware of what Cindy did Trina so she would also let a bit of things play out in hopes that they could work it out as littles without her intervening as her intervening wouldn’t ultimately solve it.